“We can call them boats now, instead of ships.”

On this week’s Defense Nerds Podcast, Military Times Deputy Editor Leo Shane and Defense News Capitol Hill Bureau Chief Joe Gould review the controversies coming out of President Donald Trump’s recent trip to Japan. They include whether naval officials were told to hide the USS McCain, some “Make Aircrew Great Again” patches some sailors made, and Trump’s continued obsession with the Navy’s electromagnetic catapult system.

The reporters also debate whether Trump’s slip about Navy “boats” (instead of “ships, as the service always refers to them) means a sea-change in military terminology. Finally, the hosts brainstorm titles for Jim Mattis’ new book about his military career.

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Leo covers Congress, Veterans Affairs and the White House for Military Times. He has covered Washington, D.C. since 2004, focusing on military personnel and veterans policies. His work has earned numerous honors, including a 2009 Polk award, a 2010 National Headliner Award, the IAVA Leadership in Journalism award and the VFW News Media award.

Joe Gould was the senior Pentagon reporter for Defense News, covering the intersection of national security policy, politics and the defense industry. He had previously served as Congress reporter.

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